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Offline kabaam

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I need lots of help
« on: April 25, 2012, 03:53:07 PM »
My family had small gardens while I was growing up in New Hampshire so seven years ago I tried doing something here in Texas and it didn't work too well.  With about ten tomato plants I think I got maybe three fruit all together.  I just assumed that it was too dang hot here and the soil wasn't good for it.  But, the other day I found this website and forum and saw many photos proving that I just dont know what I am doing.  Now I have put together mental plans for a dozen or so raised beds in my backyard here in north FTW. 

I will be reading a lot from here and may be asking many, many questions to get going. 

Chad

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 03:57:58 PM »
Welcome!

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 05:41:27 AM »
Don't know if you've looked at this, but you might find it useful:
http://northtexasvegetablegardeners.com/forum/index.php?topic=556.0

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 02:29:51 PM »
Welcome Chad!  Those pictures of success keep me going too!  Deep mulch in the hot summer and a little shade are some of the 'secrets'!

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 04:32:16 PM »
Ever thought of growing them indoor?

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2012, 12:24:33 PM »
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.  Right now I am giving it another go using Brian's suggestions.  Last week I built a raised bed that is in the shade of my pergola so it will get occassional shade throughout the days.  I have a bit of pine mulch on top of the soil as well.  My past attempts didn't have much of either shade or mulch so I am hoping this will be a big difference.

The lab testing sounds expensive.  I am not sure if I am going to spend 68$ for a tiny 3'x3' trial garden just yet.  But that may be the next step if need be.

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2012, 06:55:53 PM »
Uh - Actually, the soil test is $59...  But I didn't reply to your post to extract money from you...  I had hoped that the paper would help give you a good foundation from which to start...  :-\

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 04:35:59 PM »
Thanks Frank,

I didn't take it that way.  The paper does have lots of good information and I am sure I will give it another read or two before this year is done.  I searched amazon for home test kits but couldn't find one with a positive review.  Most had more negative reviews.  Having the soul tested is still a valid option I may look into. 

thanks,

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Re: I need lots of help
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 04:45:08 AM »
Oh, I'm not all pouty... ;D  Ummm, we are really not qualified or have the equipment to test souls. ;)  However, we can do something with soils...  Many years ago, I used to buy those kits at the garden centers - still have the last one - it is the delux model in a steel case...  Leaving the extraction method aside, the fundamental problem is that your are trying to compare the color of a liquid through transmitted light with the reflected light from a color chart.  I never could get the colors to line up...

We have several colometric tests for various compounds/elements, but these are analysed with colorphotometer and spectrometer instruments which give us measurements to several decimal places or in parts per million.  For other tests, we use an ICP instrument which reports in parts per million.  

There is also the matter of sample preparation and, in our case, weighing.  With other methods, a fairly accurate volume of sample is required (problems with that approach).  We have soil grinders that reduce the samples down to a maximum particle size (20 mesh, I think) - an important consideration for extraction.  I don't recall what extraction method the kits use - but probably the main one being the neutral Ammonium Acetate extraction, as it doesn't use strong acids for extraction.  This method, as well as the strong acid methods depend heavily upon the soil type for an approximate analysis.  This requires knowing the soil type and applying calibration formulas to obtain the analysis.  As I recall, the kits don't mention that in the instructions.

The kits only test for N-P-K and maybe Ca.  There's a whole lot more in your soil to be concerned with than just those things.

The reviews you read are accurate: The home kits are for selling - not using.

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